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List of themes for paper-relevant quotes culled from Venus im Pelz :
Illness
Cure
Perversion
Humiliation
Paglia
“Whole” man
Animals
Cat
Dog
Bear
Lioness
Lion
Contract
W/Devil (Faust)
Coldness/marble/ice
Reversal of S/M roles
Power in submission
Nature
Sublimation
Childhood
Greek v. Christian
Over-arching:
Narrative
Self-conscious
Masochism
Man and woman (and other parallelisms)
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Venus in Furs IV
»Eben ging die Türe auf und eine hübsche volle Blondine...kam herein... ›Aber Sewtschu dear - 'she said anxiously ... > What Sewtschu, 'he cried, obey> you shall obey, you know,' and he tore the kantchuk , which hung next to his weapons, from the nail. "
»>... Had I flattered her; I would have thrown the noose around its neck, but because I educate the kantchuk, she adores me . '"
" Nowhere Goethe fits> you must be anvil or hammer \u0026lt;out so well as on the relationship of husband and wife ... "
" You must be the hammer or the anvil "
He> Its only option, the tyrant or the slave of the wife to be, '"
» Confessions of a supernatural "
Suprasensual. Defying nature
»Eben ging die Türe auf und eine hübsche volle Blondine...kam herein... ›Aber Sewtschu dear - 'she said anxiously ... > What Sewtschu, 'he cried, obey> you shall obey, you know,' and he tore the kantchuk , which hung next to his weapons, from the nail. "
»>... Had I flattered her; I would have thrown the noose around its neck, but because I educate the kantchuk, she adores me . '"
" Nowhere Goethe fits> you must be anvil or hammer \u0026lt;out so well as on the relationship of husband and wife ... "
" You must be the hammer or the anvil "
He> Its only option, the tyrant or the slave of the wife to be, '"
» Confessions of a supernatural "
Suprasensual. Defying nature
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Notes: Venus in Furs I.
text @ Spiegel Online: Entertainment: Projekt Gutenberg-DE
Text used:
Sacher-Masoch, Leopold von. Venus in Furs (with a study of masochism by Gilles Deleuze) . Frankfurt am Main: Insel Paperback, 1980.
decadence: a trend away from paganism and nature, and Christianity (perversion, degeneracy [degeneration]).
-Neurosis
-Nihilism
-Aestheticism, Hedonism
perspective? Sacher-Masoch under the guise of Venus and in the context of a dream world, Largely voices his views.
"Yes, you were completely in love with this outfit , and how docile you were." [P.10] (Emphasis mine.) He is fixated upon her costume, her persona rather than her. "Eager to learn" = docile. Masochism.
"You have taught me what love is, your cheerful service made me forget two millennia." [P.10] Abandonment of a patriarchal Christianity.
"I will not blame you. Although they are a divine woman, but a woman and cruel in love as any woman . "[P.10] Is this a woman's nature?
"They call it cruel," the goddess of love replied lively, "what precisely the element of sensuality, the gay love, is the nature of woman to surrender, where it loves, and everything to love what he likes . '[p.10]
"Oh" - she replied - "We are faithful as long as we love, but you ask of a woman without love loyalty and devotion without enjoyment , who it is cruel , the woman or the man? * - You take the north [Christianity] at all the love too important and too serious [Protestant]. You talk of duties where the only pleasure [ pleasure - Hedonism] the question should be "[p.10]
* Good question.!
"'And yet this ever lively, ever longing for unsaturated the naked paganism ,' was a Madame," but that love which the supreme joy, laughter is the divine self is not good for you moderns, you children the reflection . [!!!] They will bring disaster. When you want to be natural, it will mean. appears to you the nature as something hostile, you have made us the laughing demon gods of Greece, made me a devil. You can ban me or curse, and only you even in bacchanalian madness before my altar as a sacrifice to be killed, and once one of you had the courage to kiss my red mouth, so he made a pilgrimage to Rome for barefoot in the hair shirt and flowers of the expected dry Stock , ["Withered STAFF "- flaccid - Decadence] during shoot up under my foot at all hours of roses, violets and myrtle, but do not you smell bekömmt [NATURE], is only in your Nordic mist and Christian incense [Protestantism of German-speaking countries. Austria];? Let us nations under the rubble, resting under the lava [Parallelism between what is woman, what is pagan, and destruction], we dig is not for you was Pompeii, for you, our villas, our baths, our temples not built . You need no gods! We freezes in your world! [. Venus is consistently Described as pale, cold, and marble-like] '"The beautiful marble woman coughed and pulled the dark sables together even more tightly around her shoulders," [p.10-11]
perversion. A striving away from nature, overcoming woman's natural state and the inevitability of procreation. Biology is inevitable.
"We thank for the classical lesson," I said, "but You can not deny that man and woman in your cheerful sunny world as well as in our foggy, are natural enemies that love for the short time [Nature / Biology] united into a single being, the only a thought, an emotion, a will capable in order to then divide even more, and - now you know better than me - who does not subjugate it to understood [subjugate], is only too the the other foot to feel his neck - "[p.11]
MOTIFS:
- The" true nature "of woman and her relations with one
- Christianity (and with it a Northern coldness, civilization's order) v. Paganism (heat, chaos, Nature)
--Decadent perversion (masochism) for the pleasure of a man--woman becomes "Treue ohne Liebe" and carries a "Marmorblässe;" man is submissive, emasculated, or even impotent ("dürren Stock"). Man is emasculated by Nature. She destroys his buildings; she ultimately controls his singular pleasure. His birth and death are in her control alone.
--Why does woman carry a death pallor? Is it because woman is both beginning & end (first mother, then the lover of "la petite mort" surrender of orgasm)? Is it because the merciless fires of her "heathen" nature (pagan, being biologically tied to the cycles of nature as she is) are cooled (and unsuccessfully conquered) by the unnatural (i.e. perversely suspending man's inevitable denouement in orgasm/death) forces of a Northern European civilization and its cold grandeur? Ironic; a grandeur which strives pathetically (with its phallic monuments and barriers against disaster) towards an unfeasible immortality.
text @ Spiegel Online: Entertainment: Projekt Gutenberg-DE
Text used:
Sacher-Masoch, Leopold von. Venus in Furs (with a study of masochism by Gilles Deleuze) . Frankfurt am Main: Insel Paperback, 1980.
decadence: a trend away from paganism and nature, and Christianity (perversion, degeneracy [degeneration]).
-Neurosis
-Nihilism
-Aestheticism, Hedonism
perspective? Sacher-Masoch under the guise of Venus and in the context of a dream world, Largely voices his views.
"Yes, you were completely in love with this outfit , and how docile you were." [P.10] (Emphasis mine.) He is fixated upon her costume, her persona rather than her. "Eager to learn" = docile. Masochism.
"You have taught me what love is, your cheerful service made me forget two millennia." [P.10] Abandonment of a patriarchal Christianity.
"I will not blame you. Although they are a divine woman, but a woman and cruel in love as any woman . "[P.10] Is this a woman's nature?
"They call it cruel," the goddess of love replied lively, "what precisely the element of sensuality, the gay love, is the nature of woman to surrender, where it loves, and everything to love what he likes . '[p.10]
"Oh" - she replied - "We are faithful as long as we love, but you ask of a woman without love loyalty and devotion without enjoyment , who it is cruel , the woman or the man? * - You take the north [Christianity] at all the love too important and too serious [Protestant]. You talk of duties where the only pleasure [ pleasure - Hedonism] the question should be "[p.10]
* Good question.!
"'And yet this ever lively, ever longing for unsaturated the naked paganism ,' was a Madame," but that love which the supreme joy, laughter is the divine self is not good for you moderns, you children the reflection . [!!!] They will bring disaster. When you want to be natural, it will mean. appears to you the nature as something hostile, you have made us the laughing demon gods of Greece, made me a devil. You can ban me or curse, and only you even in bacchanalian madness before my altar as a sacrifice to be killed, and once one of you had the courage to kiss my red mouth, so he made a pilgrimage to Rome for barefoot in the hair shirt and flowers of the expected dry Stock , ["Withered STAFF "- flaccid - Decadence] during shoot up under my foot at all hours of roses, violets and myrtle, but do not you smell bekömmt [NATURE], is only in your Nordic mist and Christian incense [Protestantism of German-speaking countries. Austria];? Let us nations under the rubble, resting under the lava [Parallelism between what is woman, what is pagan, and destruction], we dig is not for you was Pompeii, for you, our villas, our baths, our temples not built . You need no gods! We freezes in your world! [. Venus is consistently Described as pale, cold, and marble-like] '"The beautiful marble woman coughed and pulled the dark sables together even more tightly around her shoulders," [p.10-11]
perversion. A striving away from nature, overcoming woman's natural state and the inevitability of procreation. Biology is inevitable.
"We thank for the classical lesson," I said, "but You can not deny that man and woman in your cheerful sunny world as well as in our foggy, are natural enemies that love for the short time [Nature / Biology] united into a single being, the only a thought, an emotion, a will capable in order to then divide even more, and - now you know better than me - who does not subjugate it to understood [subjugate], is only too the the other foot to feel his neck - "[p.11]
MOTIFS:
- The" true nature "of woman and her relations with one
- Christianity (and with it a Northern coldness, civilization's order) v. Paganism (heat, chaos, Nature)
--Decadent perversion (masochism) for the pleasure of a man--woman becomes "Treue ohne Liebe" and carries a "Marmorblässe;" man is submissive, emasculated, or even impotent ("dürren Stock"). Man is emasculated by Nature. She destroys his buildings; she ultimately controls his singular pleasure. His birth and death are in her control alone.
--Why does woman carry a death pallor? Is it because woman is both beginning & end (first mother, then the lover of "la petite mort" surrender of orgasm)? Is it because the merciless fires of her "heathen" nature (pagan, being biologically tied to the cycles of nature as she is) are cooled (and unsuccessfully conquered) by the unnatural (i.e. perversely suspending man's inevitable denouement in orgasm/death) forces of a Northern European civilization and its cold grandeur? Ironic; a grandeur which strives pathetically (with its phallic monuments and barriers against disaster) towards an unfeasible immortality.
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